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« on: January 15, 2008, 05:42:07 PM »

In lieu of seeming rude on these forums I think it would be best if I took my discussion and discourse elsewhere.  My intent has never been to offend anyone.   I simply wanted to gain insight into others beliefs and thought processes.

I'm an observer, a philosopher, and continually pursuing altruistic endeavors.  When my ideas and questions are considered rude I've missed my target completely, and for that I apologize.

I'm not looking to stir any more emotions by posting this. I'd simply like to notify you in case you'd like to keep in contact with me.

My e-mail is druminstructor@gmail.com

Thank you all for your "time" ;] and your kindness.
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« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2008, 06:27:40 PM »

There are times when dialogging with you is rough, however, I do respect your input to these discussions.You do keep it very lively. I would hope that you would change your mind in leaving this website. There have been times when misunderstandings have happened, but I feel if communications are kept open and as long as everyone is respectful of each others feeling and opinions I can't see why dialogging can't continue.I would like you to stay but in the end the choice is yours.
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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2008, 09:12:07 PM »

I agree with Penny.  While I typically don't agree with your thoughts and insights, I find them interesting, and I'm learning a lot from you.  Both in how you think (in case you haven't figured it out, I am NOT a philosopher or observer - I like emotions  Grin) and in how to dialog with you (you can ask my philosophical husband - I generally don't engage in these types of discussions because I can't always back up my beliefs with facts - something I'm working on).

My point is I don't want to see you leave the discussions either.  I hope you'll reconsider and stay.  I apologize to you if any of my responses contribute to your decision.  I did not have that intent. 
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« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2008, 12:00:14 AM »

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in case you haven't figured it out, I am NOT a philosopher or observer - I like emotions

This is precisely the misconception and misunderstanding of non-theists I've been trying to point out and reconcile here. 

When I've developed a better way to express my thoughts and feelings that don't come off as callous and attacking I'll return.
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« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2008, 08:38:23 AM »

Let's put this in perspective: the main contention is the arguments you and Amanda have. They are two-way and for whatever reason, you each know how to push the other's buttons. It's not that no one else has disagreed or that haven't been any miscommunications. That's part of being human- and part of life. And that is how we learn. By leaving the site, you're missing out on the learning experience it would take to communicate with us and others you'll meet like us. After all, how can you "develop a better way to express your thoughts and feelings" without practice?
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« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2008, 09:35:45 AM »

"(in case you haven't figured it out, I am NOT a philosopher or observer - I like emotions  )
This is precisely the misconception and misunderstanding of non-theists I've been trying to point out and reconcile here.  
When I've developed a better way to express my thoughts and feelings that don't come off as callous and attacking I'll return."

Ok, I think that we are on to something here.  Anxiety, before you close the door on this blog, let me share my thoughts.  From my perspective, I am not sure that the issue is necessarily "theist vs non-theists".  I don't think that anybody is suggested that you are "emotionless".  I believe that what may be happening is that we are experiencing a "gender gap".  

Truthfully, the blog has been very frustrating for me because of the philosophical and analytical turn that it has taken.  This is not because I think that what is being written is unimportant or that I am "anti-theist" but because I am a woman.  Women walk, talk, feel and think differently from men.  Now, before any of my "sisters" threaten to "stone me", let me explain.

I have been a "card carrying feminist" since junior high.  I have been the president of the Everywoman's Center at USF and I have marched on Washington to defend women's rights.  However, I have gained some wisdom and insight in my old age.  That insight has led me to realize that men and women are not "un-equal" but "different".

Why is this important?  Again, because I think that maybe some of what you have experienced in this blog is a "gender gap".  When Michelle said that she "likes emotion" I don't think that she was saying that you are "emotionless".  I believe that what she was saying is that as a woman she prefers to "talk from her heart" about what she is feeling and experiencing.  I know that I do - thus the frustration that I have been experiencing.

Believe me, being the "wife of Dangerous Paul" is a perfect example of this "gap".  Paul has thoroughly enjoyed the philosophical and analytical challenge that you present on the threads.  And I greatly appreciate that he has had you to "discourse" with.  When he starts talking time and causal change, my eyes roll up in my head  :Smiley  Your threads have given him the opportunity to share, explore and challenge his intellect.  

So, before you sign off believing that anyone thinks any less of you for being a "theist" I hope that you will consider what I have said.  Perhaps we can come to some better understanding of how to communicate male to female, theist to non-theist, heart to heart  Kiss

Wishing you Universal Blessings!
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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2008, 09:44:12 AM »

Paul - your comment about being a woman had me worried for a moment...glad I figured out it was Christine!!   Cheesy

Anxiety, I did not mean to insinuate that you are emotionless AT ALL!!!!!  Please, I hope you didn't take it that way.  I was simply pointing out the difference.  Christine/Paul Smiley is correct - that is not what I meant!!!
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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2008, 09:45:54 AM »

I was wondering too if Paul was getting in touch with his femine side Grin. I'm glad to figure out it's Christine posting. LOL.
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« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2008, 10:16:24 AM »

Why did Christine post under Paul? Man, I was a little worried he wasn't telling us something... Shocked

Anyway, I would not in any way consider myself philosophical. (I do, however, observe- or try to). I have never found it easy to dialogue with "intellectuals". I always feels inadequate and uneducated. However, this is changing, but it's starting out online. I probably wouldn't say half of what I say- if anything- in person (and partly because it takes me awhile to process things sometimes). But, I have found it easy to dialogue on here. I obviously don't always agree with what is being said or how it was said, but the bottom line is, we're all learning. We're learning how to communicate with people who don't believe the same things we do, or who may have a different perspective. And, I'm learning to respect others' beliefs. Believe me, a few years ago, I would have been completely offended by some of the things we have all discussed on this board. I wasn't raised in that kind of atmosphere- as far as religion is concerned. But, I have learned and am learning so much from this. I can only hope I'm not the only one.
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« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2008, 10:27:51 AM »

Why did Christine post under Paul? Man, I was a little worried he wasn't telling us something... Shocked
His account was probably signed in, and she posted as him without realizing, LOL. I was extremely confused--Especially since Paul is one of the ones that drives the philosophical/analytical side of things alot of the times.

Paul... no offense... but for the record, I think you would make an ugly woman.  Grin
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« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2008, 12:05:10 PM »

Uh Oh!  The gig is up Paul ... I mean Paul(ina)  Wink  Sorry about the confusion folks, I just can't keep him/her out of my computer or my lingerie draw.  And, Roy you just haven't seen Paul(ina) in his/her pink poodle pj's.  You might have to retract that "ugly woman" comment  Wink
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« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2008, 12:17:11 PM »

Oh my!  Shocked I don't think I need that visual... Grin
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« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2008, 12:52:24 PM »

Christine - I guess that explains the "gay" thing, huh?!?  Shocked Grin Kiss
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« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2008, 02:23:38 PM »

Uh Oh!  The gig is up Paul ... I mean Paul(ina)  Wink  Sorry about the confusion folks, I just can't keep him/her out of my computer or my lingerie draw.  And, Roy you just haven't seen Paul(ina) in his/her pink poodle pj's.  You might have to retract that "ugly woman" comment  Wink
I dunno I have pretty high standards for drag queens...
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« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2008, 04:45:38 PM »

WOW I go away for the day and come home from work.  My alter ego has taken over - you know sometimes I get schizophrenic.
 Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin

Good thing I love my wife.  Huh?  Shocked
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