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Author Topic: The Abolition of Man by C.S. Lewis  (Read 231 times)
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« on: May 08, 2008, 12:28:09 AM »

Out of all the C.S. Lewis books I have read (14, including the Narnia series), this is the most difficult to read, and the most controversial.  This book is NOT for the feint of heart.  He argues against relative morality and in favor of absolute morality with no stops in between. Compelling arguments, though debatable. Most interesting part of the book (for me) was the appendix with "illustrations of the Tao," which included teachings from ancient Egyptian, Greek, Roman, Native American, and Chinese manuscripts.

Basically, Lewis was outraged by some English textbooks he had read, which included hidden philosophical agendas and "did not teach the letters."  He is in effect speaking out against what Richard Wagner calls "relativism," stating that the "to each his own" philosophy of morality is detrimental to individuals and society.  He presents arguments for absolute morality, similar to what you'd find in Mere Christianity, but does not actually cite Christianity as the source of his arguments.  (He more frequently refers to Aristotle, Plato, and other philosophers.)

Pretty heavy reading.  Good luck with this one, if you choose to tackle it.
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« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2008, 12:39:29 AM »

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From Wikipedia:Lewis starts with an observation that certain books purporting to teach English to school children have an implicit philosophy that all statements of value (such as "this waterfall is sublime") are merely statements about the speaker's feelings and say nothing about the object. He says that such a subjective view of values is faulty, and, on the contrary, certain objects and actions merit positive or negative reactions: that a waterfall can actually be objectively praiseworthy, and that one's actions can be objectively good or evil.

Though I'm a moral absolutist myself, I disagree with the waterfall illustration.  Is fire intrinsically bad?  We use it to cook and deem it good; however, we deem it bad when it burns down our home or kills people.  It is only bad when it is doing harm, through its action.   Humans, like the fire, are neither good or bad, but it is our objective actions which we undertake that make us so.

I'll have to check this one out myself.
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« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2008, 01:02:37 AM »

He does not necessarily say that humans are good or evil.  What he is discussing is the actions -- more specifically, the morals we claim to live by.
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« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2008, 02:11:52 PM »

Yes, but to say an object, living or nonliving like the waterfall, has an inherent quality is completely subjective to the viewer.  A quick counter to the waterfall as being inherently "sublime" would be the person who witnessed his family by falling off a waterfall and drowning.  A waterfall in that sense will not evoke a sense of sublimity.
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« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2008, 02:45:39 PM »

Okay, either the Wikipedia author is misrepresenting Lewis's words, or you are misinterpreting.  After skimming the article, I think it's the former.

I looked up Lewis's reference to the waterfall in his book.  First of all, it is not "his" reference... it was a reference in one of the textbooks he was criticizing.  The authors of this textbook said, as quoted by Lewis, "What he was saying was really I have feelings associated in my mind with the word "Sublime," or shortly, I have sublime feelings."  Then the authors continue, "This confusion is continually present in language as we use it.  We appear to be saying something very important about something: and usually we are only saying something about our own feelings."  He then goes on to explain (in much more detail than I will here) that the feelings that would have to be associated would actually be opposites:  In order to think the waterfall is sublime, our feelings would actually have to be humble.  Furthermore, the big issue Lewis has is this:  "They have treated only one particular predicate of value (sublime) as a word descriptive of the speaker's emotions.  The pupils are left to do for themselves the work of extending the same treatment to all predicates of value: and no slightest obstacle to such extension is placed in their way."

So really, not that I have met Lewis or anything, but I imagine that he would agree with you that the waterfall is a very bad illustration of absolute morals, and it is this comparison that sets him off.
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« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2008, 07:23:46 PM »

Yeah, that makes sense and would be a lot more consistent.
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