Others have collected scientific data on spiritualism?  Google is drawing a blank.

That was a joke.  I was illustrating the absurdity in citing a figure for search results as evidence that something substantive lies within them.


You hold the belief that scientific data on spiritualism exists and that the nature of spiritualism can be examined through scientific means.  I ask you to give your reasoning behind this and you cannot point to one source that has scientific data, therefore the belief you hold is baseless. This is why I'm so perplexed at the divergence.  The article you linked to has scientific data on the and quality and functions of the brain, not scientific data on the nature of spirituality.

Not to my knowledge.

Your turn.

Does anyone believe that material things can hold some element of spiritual power? (whether it is in someone's head or actually in the object)


my step-mother received these gold chains for her sons. The person who gave them to her told her to make them wear the chains constantly. they said it would protect them. She didn't like that idea of all that so she took the chains outside and attempted to burn them.

According to her account, after the flames went out there was no trace of the chains. No melted metal... nothing, as if they just evaporated in the air. So she believes they were demonic chains.

what you think?


another account:
my step-brother who is not a Christian, was having difficulty sleeping in his room. He said he heard voices in there and felt uneasy. Now, I think my step-mother listened to him but thought he was just having some mental issues, until my step-brother's step-mother (yes, it's complicated) informed my step-mother that she had sent an angel to watch over him. She immediately started praying over the room until she believed the evil spirits were gone.

That evening when my step-brother came home, not knowing his mother was praying over the room, informed his mother that he wasn't hearing the voices in the room anymore. Weird coincidence?

So is there a congruency between empirical investigation and non-investigative spiritual belief?