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Author Topic: Is learning about first Century Jesus - a pandora's box?  (Read 3664 times)
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« on: December 01, 2008, 07:10:02 PM »

The current trend by some theologians is to look at how Jesus would have lived, acted and the society influences that may have influenced his teachings.  Yet, by doing so, I have read at least four different versions of what Jesus was about. Each is different.

The question to you is if we look at a persons' upbringing, societal influences, religions that influenced their thoughts, does that lead to having more faith in your belief, less faith, or even the loss of faith? 
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« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2008, 04:21:13 PM »

So far for me, it has deepened my understanding of and interest in Jesus' life and teachings and helped me to comprehend things that I didn't before.  However, it hasn't changed how I view a lot of the overarching concepts or more concrete things.  For example, learning about Rabbinical customs and sayings regarding Jesus calling someone to come and follow him brought these recorded events into more focus, helping transcend 2000+ years of cultural difference.  Again, it just changes the angle a little bit or fills in some of the details.  Historical narrative is not textbook, and I try to keep that in perspective, especially in regards to the Old Testament with things like the creation story, even though some would say and fear that it opens things up for a myriad of interpretation.  This is why, I believe, you have to be in community, with its natural or 'supernatural' if you will, checks and balances.
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« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2008, 09:50:10 PM »

Yeah!  What John said.

I would also add that if we truly desire to be followers of Jesus then we should constantly be striving to know him more, both in detail and from different perspectives.  If our knowledge and understanding of him becomes set or does not continue to evolve, then we are no longer growing.  And sometimes growing comes with growing pains.
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« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2008, 10:25:04 PM »

Does not these growing pains also have an abiltity to change how we view Jesus?  Both of you have noted that it is fills in the gaps and helps explain things, but is there not a possibility that we may discover a different Jesus then what the church has declared him to be?
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« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2008, 08:44:03 AM »

Does not these growing pains also have an abiltity to change how we view Jesus?  Both of you have noted that it is fills in the gaps and helps explain things, but is there not a possibility that we may discover a different Jesus then what the church has declared him to be?


Sure, just as it's possible that you may discover a different Jesus then what you previously thought.  Wink
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« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2008, 05:57:15 PM »

Which then brings the question, is there more than one way to see Jesus and his teachings?  If so, are the other views just as valid as the church's?
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« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2008, 09:23:45 AM »

Of course there's more than one way to see Jesus and His teachings. But are you referring to the church's belief in Jesus' death and resurrection- if others' views regarding that part of Jesus and His teachings?
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« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2008, 05:18:25 PM »

Maybe that is one point, but I am looking for how the different viewpoints bring a different interpretation to the purpose of his teachings, not necessarily the final outcome.  His death and resurrection has been a debate totally separate then what a First Century Jesus looks like.

I am not looking in this thread to go to the death and resurrection.
 
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« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2008, 05:27:38 PM »

I am not looking in this thread to go to the death and resurrection.

Thank you! Just needed clarification.
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« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2008, 05:33:27 PM »

You're welcome. 
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« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2008, 01:42:15 AM »

Let me put this in perspective of my dealings with school this semester:

I am taking a bunch of literature classes this semester (almost over yeah!) and have often been warned about interjecting biographical information into the criticism of a literary work.  If one can enjoy the beauty of Yeats' work, for example, do we need to know that much of it was written about a woman named Maude Gonne with whom he was in love, unrequited, for most of his life?  Is this pertinent to our enjoyment of the work itself?  Does this detract from the beauty he was able to create in a few lines and carefully chosen words?  How does knowing about his life and the people with whom he consorted change our views of his work? How does this qualify his themes?

I will never criticize anyone for wanting to know more about Jesus; one cannot help investigating those things about which one is passionate.  The problem arises, though, in the changing of intention of the works from universal to personal.  The Bible, like a collection of sublime art, gives the pathway to happiness and a framework in which we can relate our own lives.

To answer the question of the thread: yes.  One would have to be very careful; the mind and soul are often much stronger than good intentions.
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« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2008, 06:57:25 AM »

I will agree with your argument about literary work.

The problem I see is that the Bible is not taken as Literary work, but as a biographical record of the Jewish religion and also the Christian religion.

Your points are very valid if we were taking about a work of fiction.  But do you think that the same arguments should be used when critiquing a biography; say Richard Nixon?

I also by the way agree with your overall  answer, but in a different manner.
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« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2008, 10:26:07 AM »

Let me put this in perspective of my dealings with school this semester:

I am taking a bunch of literature classes this semester (almost over yeah!) and have often been warned about interjecting biographical information into the criticism of a literary work.  If one can enjoy the beauty of Yeats' work, for example, do we need to know that much of it was written about a woman named Maude Gonne with whom he was in love, unrequited, for most of his life?  Is this pertinent to our enjoyment of the work itself?  Does this detract from the beauty he was able to create in a few lines and carefully chosen words?  How does knowing about his life and the people with whom he consorted change our views of his work? How does this qualify his themes?

Actually, for me, if I thought Yeats' work was a thing of beauty and I found out the story behind it, I would probably think it was more beautiful. I'm not familiar with his work (though I have at least heard of him). But, the fact that he wrote most of his work about an unrequited love would probably connect me more to it. It then becomes something more than just beautiful words. It becomes beautiful words with meaning behind them. Not all people are like this, though. Some people just like to enjoy poetry and music and paintings and other forms of art at face value. I love learning about the stories behind them.

Over the past few years, I've actually learned more about Jesus and the Bible and the history of the culture than I did before. I'm even more amazed by Him and have become even more grounded in my beliefs. My perspective on a lot of things has changed though, too.
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« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2008, 06:08:07 PM »

Brandy,

Your belief becoming stronger is also part of the Pandora's box syndrome.  We tend to think that it is always the bad things as the tale goes.  But in the box were also many wondrous items that came into being.

How has your perspective on a lot of things has changed though, too. ?

Do you sometimes want to go to the old 'Blind Faith" syndrome after you have gain some knowledge? 
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« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2008, 07:27:13 PM »

That's a whole 'nother box of pandoras.
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