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« on: March 14, 2009, 01:14:28 PM » |
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I created this thread as a place to put historical and scientific proof for the existence of God, the resurrection of Jesus, and anything that is disputed within theology.
I know Bruce has previously stated that the resurrection of Jesus can be proved through records, so let's have it.
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« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2009, 01:21:25 PM » |
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This would probably be more aptly titled: Evidence!
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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2009, 09:49:50 PM » |
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I like the word "evidence" better than "proof". I don't believe any of it can be proved, but I do believe that there is enough evidence that it can be honestly and intellectually believed.
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« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2009, 10:43:19 PM » |
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I do believe that there is enough evidence that it can be honestly and intellectually believed. That's what I'm looking for. |
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« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2009, 07:44:19 PM » |
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What would you consider to be evidence? I'm not asking this to be a smart you-know-what. But it will do me no good to provide "evidence" if it is not what you would consider to be "evidence worthy".  (I think that is a Seinfeld term.) I'm pretty sure that what would be evidence for me will not be evidence for you because we come from different axiomatic systems. |
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« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2009, 08:00:58 PM » |
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Historical or empirical evidence would be fine.
Also, empiricism should subtend the historical value of the evidence/documents/whatever it is you plan on presenting.
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« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2009, 10:08:05 PM » |
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empirical evidence I looked up the definition of empirical. It means "provable or verifiable by experience or experiment". Over two billion people alive today will testify that they know that Jesus rose from the dead and is alive today because of the experience they have had. They will testify that they have a personal relationship with him and hear his voice in their life. It is also interesting to note that the same dictionary defined empirical as "depending upon experience or observation alone, without using scientific method or theory". So while neither I nor any of the two billion can scientifically prove it, it is still valid empirical evidence as defined by the word. Please note that it is more than a belief. It is an experience. |
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« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2009, 01:38:18 PM » |
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Define the experience(s).
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« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2009, 08:16:40 PM » |
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They personally feel His love for them, are aware of His presence in their lives, and hear His voice communicating with them through their spirit. I believe that would be experience of existence, relationship and communication.
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« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2009, 08:22:04 PM » |
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And how does this occur? Through what medium?
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« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2009, 08:38:28 PM » |
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And how does this occur? Through what medium? The spirit of a person. Man has a body, a soul, and a spirit. The body is the part that experiences the material. The soul is the "I am" part (i.e., the place of emotions and will). The spirit is the part that experiences the non-material or spiritual reality. God communicates to and through the spirit. For the Christian, the spirit is as real to him as his body (or her and her body). |
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« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2009, 05:04:36 PM » |
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Are we done with this conversation?  |
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« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2009, 07:13:44 PM » |
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I do believe that there is enough evidence that it can be honestly and intellectually believed. If you're not going to follow up on that, then yes. |
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« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2009, 05:17:06 PM » |
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I thought I did. Especially from an empirical point of view. Our last comment was on the definition of the "experience". What have I not supplied?
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« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2009, 08:24:03 PM » |
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You're making an assertion of an experience through a sense that isn't falsifiable, the spirit.
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