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« on: May 15, 2009, 05:42:09 PM »

http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/05/15/bible.critic/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
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« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2009, 08:38:25 PM »

Cool.  I always liked Ehrman.  He hinted in his other book "The Misquotes of Jesus" that he had changed his ideology but still kept his belief in a "God".

The heading of the article is a little misleading, to get someone to read it.  He doesn't debunk, but rather informs the reader of what history and research of the bible indicate.  He also has said that he tried for over 30 years to prove that it was infallible.  He final straw in his concept was that no one has found the original manuscript.  He felt that if the book was the true and absolute word of God, then God would have made sure the original unabridged documents would be around today.

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« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2009, 02:30:04 AM »

Yeah, the headline is pretty lame. CNN frequently misuses headlines at an attempt to make the news more entertaining.
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« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2009, 12:07:30 PM »

He makes a valid argument which as we have found is true with religious institutions.  As Christine is seeking volunteers and help from other organizations on the Pay It Forward Farm.  Namely, "That any spiritual center should be not be all inclusive.  It has the possibility that a person may change their views on their own religions."  Imagine that, both non-believers and believers both have the same fear about a spiritual center that is open to ALL viewpoints.  Here Dr Ehrman is a threat to Christians because he changed his mind.  He knows what the debate will be as he has already been down those road fighting the non-believers.

Yet, his classes are all about Christianity.  He graduates students who become pastors and start churches.  He is part of the church system, yet he is feared.  Weird!  Maybe the old adage of the world being flat should never have been questioned.  Look at how many people changed their minds.   Grin
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« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2009, 10:38:21 AM »

"Fear him"?  Most Christian theologians don't fear him, but dismiss him.  I don't mean this disrespectfully, like who he is or what he has to say is of now value.  But the reason they dismiss him is because he takes things that have been known and or addressed over the centuries and introduces them as if he discovered them and they are dramatic new findings.  Ehrman then ignore facts and evidence that are contrary to his view and publishes simplified versions for public sale and consumption.  As you can see, CNN finds him to be a great "sound bite".

As for Ehrman's being disappointed that God has not "caused" an original manuscript to be found, I find this mostly amusing.  His justification for his decision is God's fault.  Now that is disciplined and reasoned theology.  Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2009, 09:26:51 PM »

No,  just being a theologian with an agenda, just like many on the other side of aisle, unfortunately.

Have you read Lee Strobel - "Case for Christ"?   Grin  Wink
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« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2009, 03:44:44 PM »

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just like many on the other side of aisle, unfortunately.

What do you perceive the agenda is "on the other side of the aisle"?
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« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2009, 09:17:09 PM »

There's an aisle?
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« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2009, 10:13:46 PM »

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just like many on the other side of aisle, unfortunately.

What do you perceive the agenda is "on the other side of the aisle"?

As you note: But the reason they dismiss him is because he takes things that have been known and or addressed over the centuries and introduces them as if he discovered them and they are dramatic new findings.
Tell me that there is anything really new about the issues that haven't been addressed over the centuries. His side of the aisle is just a different viewpoint that is as you say simplified into layman's terms so that the average person can understand what academia has been discussing in academia for centuries.  That is the newness to his thoughts. He throws in historical data for reference and explains the political maneuvering of the church and how that may have changed the original thoughts that the authors had.

In my opinion "the other side of the aisle" agenda is to give the average person reasons why they should not have to determine the correctness, or validity of church doctrine. Merely, that it is "The Book" and therefore infallible and interpretations should be done by theologians only and anyone questioning those interpretations who is not a theologian are obviously not qualified. That an average person does not have the ability to comprehend the mysteries of "The Book".

Lee Strobel writes his entire book in that format.  The questions he raises while valid are answered by debating both sides of the aisle. Unfortunately his side of the aisle gets to handle the "grapefruit" softball questions, while the opposing side is mocked and discounted within the first paragraph of his question. 



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« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2009, 10:23:52 PM »

I'm going to have to disagree with that last part Paul.  There are plenty of hardball questions that could be asked of Strobel. People either don't want to waste their time asking them, or he will just avoid them as any other person of faith does, with an appeal to faith.
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« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2009, 05:56:28 AM »

Sorry,  I was talking about his questions to interviewees.  but, I do agree with your assessment.
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