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« on: June 19, 2009, 12:19:44 PM »

Man calls out for Yahweh and gets away!



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« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2009, 04:30:33 PM »

Funny video, but it seems very inaccurate. I doubt it was a legit.
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A child recently asked me what eight times four is. I thought about it for a while. I put together some experiments. I ran some tests. I searched through numerous published articles on number theory.
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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2009, 05:50:38 PM »

Inaccurate how?
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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2009, 09:50:06 PM »

Cool - but who is the evil witch queen?

I give you credit for posting this proof.  The guy did pray and it appeared that it was answered as he escaped.


Love to know how he was able to move around and get up after being tazed.  Wonder if the battery was low, or didn't make enough contact with him.

Either way, reasonably how could you Prove that this happened without the video?  Obviously the scene, the characters and the manner in which they try to subdue could not be duplicated without the video being taken.  Could this be duplicated as a scientific experiment?
In another thought, to the man who got away, he could claim that it was a miracle from Yahweh, would you say it wasn't?
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« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2009, 02:43:54 PM »

Cool - but who is the evil witch queen?

Haha, no idea. I think the biggest question here (if the video is a real account and not performance art) is why didn't the cops tell him why he was being arrested when he asked?

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Could this be duplicated as a scientific experiment?

It depends on what we're trying to test. If it's the ability for a particular type taser to subdue a >200lbs. guy then we'd need several >200lbs men and several taserings.

If we're trying to test whether or not 'praying' has an affect on the subduing then we'd have to do the same experiment with several more taserings using the non-praying 200lbs men as a control group, and then have them pray. They would all have to do the same type of prayer as well, so this would only "test" one type of prayer. This also wouldn't prove that the prayer was divine either, because there could be a psychosomatic response to it.

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In another thought, to the man who got away, he could claim that it was a miracle from Yahweh, would you say it wasn't?

He could claim any number of things that happened in the video as 'miracles' from Yahweh, unfortunately nothing miraculous or supernatural happened in the video and can be easily explained by the mundane.
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« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2009, 09:32:05 PM »

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He could claim any number of things that happened in the video as 'miracles' from Yahweh, unfortunately nothing miraculous or supernatural happened in the video and can be easily explained by the mundane.

As is the case with most miracles.  A miracle only applies to the individual's perception of what happened. Once it is explained then it is scientific fact.  Grin

It was odd that the police did not say what it was he was being arrested for.  All they said was that there was an outstanding warrant for his arrest.  Of course, that may be all that they knew of the charge.  Or it may have been for psychiatric treatment and they did not say due to the information that they had available on how the man would act if he knew he was going to be taken to a psych ward.

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If we're trying to test whether or not 'praying' has an affect on the subduing then we'd have to do the same experiment with several more taserings using the non-praying 200lbs men as a control group, and then have them pray. They would all have to do the same type of prayer as well, so this would only "test" one type of prayer. This also wouldn't prove that the prayer was divine either, because there could be a psychosomatic response to it.

That is the problem with trying to scientifically prove prayer.  Too many variables to overcome. 
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« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2009, 09:42:32 PM »

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That is the problem with trying to scientifically prove prayer.  Too many variables to overcome. 

You could just as easily say the same thing about magic.
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« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2009, 02:36:46 PM »

Inaccurate how?

Two officers are on top of a man. While on top of him they just let him lay there and continue talking while not taking any action to further subdue him. That is until after he is done giving his speach (nice timing) in which they use the tazer.

While sitting on the man the cops refuse to tell the man why he is being detained. This is actual against the law for an officer to do. Now I can beleive that a cop would break a law from time to time, but not while being video taped.

Then, the officers allow the man to run away. They could be lazy, but once again they are aware that they are being filmed.

I have made an assumption here, in that they know they are being filmed. I only say this because the camera is very close to them at the time.

Now it is possible for this video to still be legit. But I think the circumstances are stacked against it.
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« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2009, 03:00:33 PM »

Actually, if they have a warrant for the arrest they actually don't have to tell the person why they're being arrested except that they have a warrant. In all other cases they must.

I couldn't find any news articles about it, so I'm leaning towards thinking that this is performance art.
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« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2009, 11:15:49 AM »

Some will dismiss this as being all in my head. I'll admit that there is a chance it wasn't God. However, it was a bit of a coincidents.

I've been having back problems for a few months now. Recently I've had a big problem with nerves in my spine being pinched which was causing suddden shots of pain through my chest, stomach and arms. Yesterday morning, a co-worker asked if he could pray for me. I was hesitant, but thought it would be a good bonding experience for the two of us. I didn't htink it would work, but was just happy to be in the situation. He said ten words and that was it.

I didn't notice the pain had stopped until he asked me about it this morning. I haven't had a single pain since yesterday morning. It's been months since I've gone this long without the pains.
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A child recently asked me what eight times four is. I thought about it for a while. I put together some experiments. I ran some tests. I searched through numerous published articles on number theory.
I then came back to the child and responded, "What's a 'four'?"
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« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2009, 08:17:01 PM »

Awesome  Grin
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« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2009, 08:19:41 PM »

A black cat crossed my path last night and had the worst day ever today.

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« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2009, 09:42:48 AM »

...had the worst day ever today.



What happened?
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A child recently asked me what eight times four is. I thought about it for a while. I put together some experiments. I ran some tests. I searched through numerous published articles on number theory.
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« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2009, 10:24:46 PM »

He woke up!  Grin  Shocked  :Smiley
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« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2009, 05:52:32 PM »

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A black cat crossed my path last night and had the worst day ever today.

As a rational person  Smiley, what would you conclude if time after time a black cat crossed your path and you had a bad day.

I once prayed for healing for my grandson.  I stayed up until I felt the Lord tell me that he would be alright.  I asked God how would I know he would be alright.  He told me that when he woke up he would say to his mother (my daughter) that he was hungry.  At that moment I looked at the clock because I had decided to go to bed.  It was 1:00 AM.

The next morning I waited for the phone call that would tell me my grandson got up and ate some food.  At 10:30 AM, I was disappointed because there had been no call.  That meant that Alex had had another rough night.  At 11:00 AM I called my daughter and she said that they had just got up.  She said that they had been up several hours last night.  I asked her why.  She said that in the middle of the night Alex woke up, tapped her on the shoulder waking her up, and said he was hunger and could he have something to eat.  I asked her when this happen.  She said it happened at exactly 1:00 AM.  She remembered because when she woke up she looked at the clock to see how long he had slept.  He then proceeded to eat a good meal and stay awake for several hours playing.

Another black cat?  Possible, but not probable.  And I have many, many others that I personally can be witness to.
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