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« on: August 08, 2009, 07:01:27 AM »

Should potentiality be a factor in determining the value of life? Or should we value life for what it is in the present?

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« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2009, 09:21:41 PM »

No easy answer. 

If we go with the moment- then children are in danger of not being viable. Especially, while they are adjusting to becoming adults.

If we look at potentiality, then the danger comes when a disease strikes that could in the future drastically affect that person's life and others detrimentally.

Life in and of itself has value.  Maybe not to anyone other than ourselves, and sometimes even we do not find value but someone else does.

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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2009, 02:45:34 AM »

Why would children be in danger of being viable? Can we not value children?

We certainly don't seem to value sperm (unless you own a sperm bank or in vitro company), but we do seem to value grown children and babies. We will kill the mosquito without question, yet most of us have serious issues kicking the pet dog.

What might be the reason for this?
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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2009, 05:57:09 AM »

Responsibility and emotions.

Responsibility for being the caretaker of the child, providing food when scarce, housing, clothing as an infant. Emotions definitely affect us concerning the sperm and egg embryo along with responsibility.

Mosquitoes are little critters that make me unhappy when they swarm and bite me.   Embarrassed  Killing them is convenient, but the aftermath is that a scent is sent out that attracts even more of the buggers. So a good mosquito spray to repel them is my answer.  They get to live, emotionally I am no longer angry and take out my frustration with being their food supply and we get along.  Cool

One can have respect for life along with being a omnivore.  I and everyone else eats some kind of life to survive.  It is through acceptance that we are all connected in the food chain that I believe allows for the taking of another life form to survive.  Even when we die, the decomposition of our bodies feeds the lowest of life forms. In the wild, we actually become food for large carnivores. 

I think that there is a distinction between value of life and acceptance of how everything is interconnected toward being a type of food source for something else.  In the American Indian culture, one must bless the value of what you are going to consume before it is used, so that one would always remember that life itself has value.  That the giving of one's life for the benefit of another is an agreement made by our intertwinement. 
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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2009, 11:43:16 PM »

Responsibility and emotions.

Mosquitoes are little critters that make me unhappy when they swarm and bite me.


I'll put money down that there are people on this website that could easily take this phrase and replace "mosquito" with "child".



Why would children be in danger of being viable? Can we not value children?


Children are parasites. They do nothing but consume resources while producing nothing that benefits society. Therefore, it can be difficult to find a child viable if only looking at the moment.

However, a child under the age of 4 has yet to slow down the process of brain growth. These children still contain the possibility to become the next Nikola Tesla or Yoyo Ma if trained correctly. Therefore, children are the most viable in the planet when looked at from a potentiality stand point.
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« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2009, 11:27:30 AM »


Children are parasites. They do nothing but consume resources while producing nothing that benefits society. Therefore, it can be difficult to find a child viable if only looking at the moment.


I know where you are going w/ this, but I still have to say that they do produce a lot that benefits society...it's just not always tangible.


I think we should just value life, right now, whether it has potential or not.  We are not always good judges of the potentiality of things.
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« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2009, 11:55:35 AM »


I think we should just value life, right now, whether it has potential or not.  We are not always good judges of the potentiality of things.


I agree
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A child recently asked me what eight times four is. I thought about it for a while. I put together some experiments. I ran some tests. I searched through numerous published articles on number theory.
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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2009, 05:23:32 PM »

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I think we should just value life...

All life or just human life?
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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2009, 08:40:07 PM »

My opinion - all life -  as noted in my prior response.  Cool
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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2009, 10:12:26 PM »

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I think we should just value life...

All life or just human life?


Yes, all life.  That being said, I am still going to eat chickens and carrots (or insert other animal and/or vegetable).   Grin  And swat pesky mosquitos.   Grin  But, I only swat them in self-defense.  angel  I also only kill bugs, intentionally anyway, if they have come into my house.  Sometimes, I even free them!!

As a side note, I still believe humans are higher than animals, not equal to them.  Just thought I'd throw that in there!   Cool 
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« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2009, 10:28:04 PM »

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As a side note, I still believe humans are higher than animals, not equal to them.  Just thought I'd throw that in there! 

Higher how?
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« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2009, 08:26:08 AM »

Above.  more special than.  not equal to.  in a different grouping. 

I'd say smarter than, but really, there are some people that I cannot say that for!!  angel  Though, I think the capability is there.  I'm also talking about over all, not in specific cases.
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« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2009, 09:26:20 PM »

As the animal Homo Sapien I think we base the value of everything on our desire for pleasure and our aversion to pain.  I feel we are inherently self-serving.  This principle insures the survival of our species. As to whether potentiality should be used to determine the value of life, I think we have double standards.  We will pull the plug on someone in a vegetative state, obviously because they have no potential for a ?normal life?, but we will destroy people?s livelihood in order to protect the Delta Smelt.  Does that mean the person in a vegetative state has less value then a minnow?  I have a lot more to say but I?m struggling to put it into words.  These are just a couple of thoughts I had while reading this discussion.  Let me know what you think.
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